To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. Thanks for your patience. The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. endobj Woo-Hoo! Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Check flow sensor setup. Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. 2. Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. Check flow sensor wiring. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. So here's the recap guys: Success! WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. Thanks for any help. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? School of hard knocks. If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. nothing works. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. Whats the next step? HCC Manual Operation. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. Check Power Supply Board status light. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Woo-Hoo! WebHunter ACC Decoders. 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. nothing works. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. ICD-HP will not communicate with decoder. <> Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. w?Lhq ?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q JavaScript is disabled. I'd say a helper would be handy. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? also there are 22 stations. In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. Konapride - U da Man! i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. 2 0 obj Decoder will not respond after firmware update. Each modules electrical current is shown. The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. WebWith the clamp meter check the lead wire of the decoder to make sure the cause is not a failed decoder. Reduce timer or turn off backlight display. When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. @lP-s 67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Awesome sps2868. Is that true? Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. Thank you. Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. Operating large numbers If the voltage did not change, verify that When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You endobj I feel like I am beating this to death. That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. Sometimes it works perfectly fine. stream A condensed version might be possible in your area. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is JavaScript is disabled. The decoder may be damaged. 4 0 obj If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. Success! Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. Check system for leaks and malfunctions. Select. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. I will check on it. Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. Hi guys. 1:27:03 STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". If Wont read flow. Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). also there are 22 stations. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. There will be more online material in the future. Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. 2. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. If Can we trust electronic component curves? Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Sorry. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. I will also explore a shorted solenoid. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Make sure power is on to controller. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. Start the controller manually. http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. Program dummy station numbers into decoder. 1:15:16 Types of Problems. also there if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. <>>> %PDF-1.5 Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Check two-wire path and controller power. Overflow messages. Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. All rights reserved. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. All rights reserved. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. ICC2 Manual Operation. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. 19 yrs & counting. All rights reserved. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. endobj I love the product. % Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. HunterTekGeek 1. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. 1 0 obj I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. I will be in the office the rest of the week. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. To stop the chatter, press the soft key again, or it will stop by itself after 30 minutes. WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. Check battery display or ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. 3 0 obj It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$ $ac9]zruP!53yT)Ek8k~oF2|jS(KzwR%~qQPxS*=[{n{;GCNBRq;4E+ajt'b34vII +sa:fKJ XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. 1:24:23 The Half Method. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. WebTroubleshoot wire breaks, nicks, damage, and shorts Solve issues with wires, valves and locating decoders Assists with set-up and product recommendations Supports all 2-wire Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. Start station with MV from controller or remote. Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Display backlight will reduce battery life. WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. I have replaced the decoder module and I am experiencing the same problem. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. dEZ$eo4#tWY)[ 1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p J#[(iiq:;?-+&gj"tw0 ,x n(p.d0ib=J%UXSeRn2 LM %%]*WI@NT. To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. JavaScript is disabled. Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, nothing works. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. WebMove the pointer with the arrow buttons at the Main Menu screen to Program Decoder and press Next . The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. If successful, it will display the Dec If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. Thanks to all for the kind words. Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf, http://www.turf-digital.com/Jul2011/South#&pageSet=12&page=0. <> planet42 cars contact details, introduction of tropical cyclone eloise,
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