0000774288 00000 n The .308 Win. And while the companys slick new AR-15 ries are already gaining a reputation as straight shooters, the chance to zero in on building a better AR-10 was a perfect t for Savage oering opportunities to play to the brands strengths, including longrange accuracy and innovation. It offers an improved fit for those users with smaller hands, while providing plenty of room for larger ones. Like the BCG, the standard answer is to pump a ton of gas through the rifle and use a heavy bolt carrier group and buffer to prevent the extractor from slipping off the fired case's rim and to keep the cam pin from beating on the bolt. Group sizes are all five shots at 100 yards. It's one of the most elegantly designed gas systems we've tested, and the only other ARs with something similar cost $1,000 more with a waiting list several months long. The bolt carrier group is also lighter than a standard bolt carrier group. Weird but looking forward to shooting it this weekend! 0000763332 00000 n Its got all the cool features that a free gunner would want in one package, said Kelley at the recentSHOT Show in Las Vegas. Not something Ive heard. Have you ever shot at Fossil Point? MSR Uppers are now available from Savage Arms. I sent the rifle back to Savage over a month ago and I have yet to get a phone call or email, much less a rifle back. General-purpose models sell at a relatively low price because theyre fitted with basic, but serviceable, components and furniture. The gas key can wear at this spot over time, develop a knife edge and leak. I have owned many 308 ARs since the mid to late 90s and built a few that were all more accurate, and most were much more accurate. The only other thing I will be messing with will be adding shims behind the spring to get the clearance from the bolt catch to full over travel in the sweet spot at .125"-ish. Yeah, you have to adjust your technique a bit with gas guns in general, most of them need a firmer grip and well loaded tripod legs. Camp Guns: Sometimes Perfect, Other Times Not But Often Essential! but I manged a 5-shot group at 200 yards that measure 1.150" edge to edge! 0000004387 00000 n The right side of the upper receiver is where two particular cost-reducing measures are often applied. The buffer Savage chose to put in the MSR-10 LR weighs 3.0 ounces and promptly paired it with a spring that is stiffer than the ones my car's suspension uses! The LOP can be extended an additional 1.4" with the cheek piece providing up to 0.75" of additional height. The 16.125" 4140 steel barrel features 1:8" twist right-hand rifling, M4-style feed ramps and a Melonite finish. Going to try handloads or FGMM to see what it's capable of once I get a few more rounds through it. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association. 6.5 Creedmoor Std. The Long Range yielded a best single group of 0.67",with a five-group average of 0.77", when using Federal Ammunitions American Eagle 140-gr. An M-Lok hand guard., The upper and lower are both proprietary, Kelley added, and shorter in length, which allows us to make the gun more compact, bring the center of balance back closer to the center line of the shooter, which makes for better handling. A removable flip-up Blackhawk BUIS (Back-Up Iron Sight) rear sight is shipped with the rifle to complete the sight system. Think of the Savage MSR-15 Competition as a souped-up Savage . Turns out that the rifle I bought new and that passed QC before shipping cannot be repaired to work. High-end manufacturers have done thousands upon thousands of rounds in testing similar rifles and came to the conclusion that 19 ounces is way more weight than necessary. Any tricks for getting the muzzle brake off? Other upgrades including a free-float fore-end, custom-forged lower receiver and Magpul . Most 6.5 Creedmoor loads use bullets weighing anywhere from 120 to 147 grains, and the 1:8-inch twist can easily handle them all. I like the side charging handle but it looks like a PITA to remove. However, the gun will be popular with a lot of hunters, including hog hunters who like a shorter carbine. The scale would tell us in no time flat how much effort Savage put into designing this rifle or if they're just selling a "me too." Ive had a host of opportunities to work with a variety of Savage firearms in the past. Although these two rifles rest at the opposite ends of the price spectrum, they both produced sub-1" groups with certain loads. With the lighter bolt-carrier group and a tuned gas system, felt recoil is lower as well. hTKQ?'gU5T0lV1EMlpQVq6}s $)NCI4y!2I\3jwe72XVNk4}ndmx Cm&86yor]Vh2njOzo,m? Regardless of length, all barrels are button-ried and paired to their particular action with Savages obsessive attention to precise headspace control. It's hard to believe they shot a 5 round group. While it sounds good, the empirical evidence indicates otherwise. The gun has a 12-inch free-floating handguard with Magpuls M-Lok system for installing rails or other accessories. and 5.56 NATO. 0000764508 00000 n Taurus Marketing Manager Caleb Giddings highlights the features of the new Taurus Raging Hunter 460 Magnum, a purpose-built revolver with a 10.5-inch barrel and an effective recoil-taming brake, with Guns & Ammo Executive Editor Joe Kurtenbach. As a result, both the MSR-10 Hunter and MSR-10 Long Range feature a compact AR-10 design that feels and handles more like an AR-15., Savages AR-10s also feature custom-forged uppers and lowers for a look unlike anything aeld or on the range, plus a free-oating forend that locks down so tight you can bridge a scope mount from forend to receiver with no loss of accuracy. Cartridge options vary by rifle, but include 6 mm Creedmoor, 6.5 mm Creedmoor, .308 Win. The charging handle is standard mil-spec style with a slightly extended catch lever. pull. The MSR 15 PatrolThanks to the MSR 15 Patrols quality construction and a top-notch set of polymer furniture from Blackhawk, the rifles features are a tangible step up from the general-purpose model category that its $849 suggested retail price might imply. Meanwhile, the MSR 10 lineencompassing the Hunter, Long Range and Competition HD modelstakes its cues from the larger AR-10 platform. Rather than hanging on the barrel nut, the handguard bolts directly to the front of the upper receiver. Savage's tribal knowledge acquired over the past couple of decades paid off in spades with their new AR offerings. A Melonite finish protects the barrel, which is fitted with a muzzle brake using a crush washer. The Hunter has a six-position adjustable buttstock so the length of pull can be adjusted for a small-statured hunter or to compensate for bulky clothing. The single-stage trigger was an improvement when compared to others in its class because it did not exhibit the grittiness of some makes. has a gas system thats 1.5 inches longer than the standard mid-length version. I wasn't impressed with the rifle and I'm not impressed with the customer service from Savage so far. It will not cycle or lock the bolt back with 168 grn fed gm, magtech sniper 168 nor MEN 150 grn. Reciprocating mass is one of the most overlooked aspects of any direct-impingement, AR-pattern rifle. Interested to see how this turns out..looking into buying the msr10 hunter model to carry in the field and Im hoping savage will take care of any warranty concerns. And to extend barrel life, Savage applies an ultradurable, Melonite QPQ surface hardening treatment inside and out. In 1984, Winchester began to produce rifles chambered for cartridge, legitimizing Waters dream, and establishing it as a commercial cartridge. The Picatinny-rail-topped upper receiver is paired with an 18" free-floating aluminum handguard that features a full-length top rail. It has depressions in it that allow a spring-loaded ball to hold it securely in place under recoil. The bolt head should have between 1/10 to a max of 1/8 clearance to the bolt catch with the charge handle pulled all the way to the rear. I would have rather returned it to them for an exchange, but I understand that is not feasible. Developed in 1976 by Ken Waters as a wildcat cartridge, the 7-30 Waters is based on the .30-30 Winchester necked down to 7mm to improve velocity and trajectory, with a significant drop off in felt recoil. The bolt carrier is also shortened and 17-percent lighter. Mind you I added all the bits I bought for my rifle as well. On the factory setting it cycled Saltech 150 grain M80ish surplus fine, but a little gassy. The screw threads into the gas block parallel to the barrel from the muzzle end. However, its not uncommon to find 16" mid-length rifle barrels fitted with carbine-length gas tubes designed for 14" carbine-length barrels in order to reduce production costs. The Savage MSR 10 Hunter and MSR 10 Long Range are built on a custom-size platform similar to the AR-10 and designed for cartridges in the .308 Win. The handguard extends well past the gas block, is slim and fits in the hand nicely, even when wearing gloves. (of course), 6.5 Creedmoor and .338 Federal. 0000753216 00000 n One of the secrets of the 6.5 Creedmoor chamber dimensions is the free bore diameter. I've got the Hunter version in 6.5. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. years of enjoyment at the range or in the field. 0000742651 00000 n Just like the MSR 15s that Savage put into production in 2017, the MSR 10 has a barrel and gas block produced in-house. I bought one a few months ago and during the break-in process the side charging handle broke; I think some steel fragments got into the barrel because it's pattern degraded significantly. It will bechambered in two calibers at launch.Though the MSR 10 Hunter is an AR-10 in spirit, it's going to be available in more than just .308 Win. The direct-gas-impingement system commonly employed by many modern AR platforms has proven to be exceptionally reliable when the gas tubes length is properly matched to the length of a particular rifles barrel. The Savage Arms MSR 10 Long Range 308 10 Round AR-10 Rifle is a direct impingement semi-automatic rifle perfect for precision shooting, hunting, or competition shooting. The six-position buttstock is also from Blackhawk and has a thick recoil pad. 0000004501 00000 n LOL!!! The bolt is an E9310 High-Pressure piece fitted with dual ejectors, and both the bolt and bolt carrier are nickel-boron coated. . In fact., Savage is using the same exact parts as every other AR manufacturer. Of course, less reciprocating mass translates to less recoil, and Savage also installs a lighter buffer that, again, helps minimize felt recoil and reduce overall weight. The Long Range in 6.5 Creedmoor benefits from the SAAMI chamber specifications of the cartridge. I enjoyed the challenge and 30 days to replace a bum upper ain't nothing compared to the wait on a suppressor. Made from premium-grade, vegetable-tanned leather, the Burdette Custom Holsters Detective SA-35 holster is a custom outside-the-waistband (OWB) model for the Springfield Armory SA-35 semi-automatic pistol. Other features include right- and left-side metallic QD flush sling sockets, a reversible 1.25" aluminum sling loop with one QD sling swivel port and two M-LOK slots along the bottom edge of the stock for rails, sling mounts or monopods. Scope, Altlas bi-pod, mags, etc. I'll be watching this thread. The Savage MSR Uppers will fit any mil-spec lower and/or Savages MSR15 Lower receiver. Redding Reloading Equipment has added a New 3-Die Set for the 300 HAMRa bottleneck cartridge based on a modified .223 Remington case necked up to 30-caliber. The MSR line are nothing more than run of mill AR10 & AR15 rifles. The M4-style two-piece handguard, held in place with a spring-loaded delta ring, cleverly extends past the front sight. The rounded top provides a positive cheek weld. They come with the complete bolt carrier group and charging handle. HWYo~_6> ,Vvctg'.v:yU~Rbo~rx#NOzLL'??_%"e/kRI,b5 The E9310 high-pressure bolt features dual ejectors for added reliability. 0000757852 00000 n The Savage MSR 10 Hunter is a compact sporting platform that still packs the punch of AR-10 chamberings. I ended up at 15 clicks from closed. For example, Caspar added, AR10s have traditionally been heavy, bulky and unwieldy. Type:gas-operated semi-automatic centerfire rifle Caliber:6.5 Creedmoor, .308 Win. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The carrier key on the Savage is integral with the bolt carrier, and the key is pinned in place. We didn't think Savage would be able to outdo themselves after the MSR 15s we tested in 2017. The external controlsbolt release, safety selector and magazine-release buttonare of mil-spec type, shape and location. I'm the manufacturer. Features include (l. to r.): a unique six-position buttstock; a milled gas block/front sight; M4-style feed ramps; and a metal Back-Up Iron Sight. ]vS` t~1 endstream endobj 876 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/Index[12 797]/Length 46/Size 809/Type/XRef/W[1 1 1]>>stream Most adhere to the standard weight laid down by Eugene Stoner of 19 ounces. An argument with which some will be familiar is that lowering the port pressure will also decrease bolt velocity. Its weight is also a critical component to reliability. That's true for the MSR15 rifles Dave, but the MSR10's are proprietary as the receivers are roughly 3/4" shorter in length than standard AR10 receivers. The sole purpose of this site is to provide an online community for those who wish to interact with other Savage firearm enthusiasts. I have an ELF trigger , metal AICS mags, Ultradyne Apollo Max comp, Quentin Defense Fat Bastard grip, topped with a Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5x27x56 FFP scope. Professional 3-gun competitor Patrick Kelley knows a thing or ve about the needs of long-range shooters, and he knows the Long Range model well, having been involved in early testing of the gun. While we were not impressed with the Blackhawk Blaze trigger installed in the Long Range's little brothers - the MSR 15 Patrol and Recon - the two-stage variant in this rifle performed very well. 0000773813 00000 n (1:10-inch 5R) and 6.5 Creedmoor (1:8-inch 5R) Compact AR-10 design. It is 16-inches long with a mid-length gas system, has a 1:8-inch twist rate and comes with a .223 Wylde chamber. The MSR 10 Hunter ships with an MSRP of $1,481. We were impressed to see a svelte "15.5" ounces display on the digital readout (14 ounces is as light as we're comfortable seeing for any large-frame duty rifle). 0000752947 00000 n The MSRP for the Long Range is $1799. +*(=HcS S*(E|S+&MB1"WZGHe~5],ZmX-s^sv 4W$|h d6TuYy;}`nWPkh;Gnxkxzj7pN';O[:C{1G_^](7W?cwzxrL)OOO}$wTc=bTf:zv] a0e~ '2 _g5CI68G^l St4vUnc,7*2Fp[0Qtf3*]PX%D5{%\9*Eijt8et. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I've had the 308 Hunter for a little over a week now, one range trip with about 40 rounds through it. and .338 Federal. Anyone else have experience on this rifle?Edit: Readability. Pressure in the chamber pushes the fired case into the chamber walls. Below are 2 pictures. Got to go play at the range today and I am impressed with the Savage! It proved to be a real treat to work with at the shooting range. The latest way appears to be an app called CamoSpace, designed specifically for members of the hunting community. (Every other cartridge gets to use whatever works best for the 7.62. That forced me to control the stock instead of playing fast and loose with the bag and my groups improved a great deal. That means the designers at Savage knocked 31/2 ounces out of the bolt carrier group and used the lightest buffer available in this rifle. version of the MSR-10 Hunter sports a 16-inch barrel (and weighs just 7.5 pounds), while the 6.5 Creedmoor Hunter carries an 18-inch barrel. One of the newer and most impressive guns in the lineup is the Savage MSR 10 Precision. Bolt Carrier Group: M16 with Carpenter 158 Steel Bolt . The Long Ranges upper receiver does come with a polymer dustcover and a forward assist. Not to get too far into science, but Boyle's Law states that the pressure of gas increases as the volume of the container decreases. Certainly not chump change, but that number does place it firmly in the ballpark for hunting-ready AR-10 designs. The buffer Savage chose to put in the MSR-10 LR weighs 3.0 ounces and promptly paired it with a spring that is stiffer than the ones my car's suspension uses! Stocky's Owner Don Bitz walks David Faubion through the company's new rifle stocks for 2023. The MSR line are nothing more than run of mill AR10 & AR15 rifles. The pull weight on a Lyman Electronic Digital Trigger Pull Gauge averaged 6 pounds, 11.2 ounces. 0000773444 00000 n / 5.56x45mm 308 Win. Lengthening a gas system pushes the gas port further down the bore. The buttplate has large diamond-pattern texturing with two ports that allow for the attachment of a Knoxx recoil pad. It is bigger than the barrel nut. You are using an out of date browser. During the break-in process (again) I just wasn't getting the near MOA groups I thought I should be getting, more like 2.5" at 100 yds. While this is a proven approach to giving bullets the proper spin as they travel down the barrel, Savage used the MSR lines to introduce its 5R rifling system. This second charging handle is, in my opinion, more intuitive and easier to use than the standard AR type, especially when a magnified optic is mounted. It is designed for long range shooting, and it comes with a 24 inch barrel. Tactical Blackhawk! The guns cycled flawlessly from start to finish during all test procedures using a variety of loads provided by Federal Premium Ammunition. BOTH MSR-10S ARE AVAILABLE in .308 Win. You need to be able to use SA's firing pin with what ever bolt you use? Subtract the scope, mount, extra mags, and parts, and and I have a .4 MOA rifle and $2200.00 left. They do not come with magazines. Since the action doesn't cycle until the bullet passes the gas port and pressurizes the system, the entire operating pressure of a longer system is much less than that of a shorter system. The single-piece, molded-polymer grip is designed to comfortably fit a wide variety of hand sizes. Acceptable for the ammo. We stock a large variety of Savage replacement parts. 0000772890 00000 n In addition to the typical top-mounted AR charging handle, Savage incorporated an additional non-reciprocating, side-charging handle on the left side of the upper receiver. The twist rate on the 6.5 Creedmoor Long Range is the standard 1:8 inches that does so well with the long and heavy bullets common for this cartridge. The shorter the gas system, the smaller the container and the more resistance the rifle has to overcome. Simply put, the AR-10 platform oered Savage engineers a chance to innovate. All are typical features of many AR-10-style guns, but the Hunter is unique in that it has little else in common with such firearms. This is a very crude solution, but big, heavy carrier groups will almost always be slow enough to extract and cycle reliably. I may also make up a mandrel to true up the receiver. 0000774677 00000 n . This also causes malfunctions, so the gas key occasionally needs to be replaced. Also, muzzle brakes are extremely loud and completely unnecessary in the field. It feels more like an AR-15.The Hunter features a custom forged upper/lower, which gives it both a unique look and a compact size. Cartridge options vary by rifle, but include 6 mm Creedmoor, 6.5 mm Creedmoor, .308 Win. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. The information and opinions expressed within this site are those of its contributors, and in no way should be viewed as the opinions or recommendations of Savage Arms. 0000772373 00000 n While the MSR 10 Long Ranges name suggests a familiar format, its details reveal considerable innovation. I did not experience a single stoppage, jam or failure; the Hunter ran perfectly. Nice thing is I bought it from Bud's and they sent me a prepaid label to send it back Savage. Few rifle parts are drabber than a buffer. Savages 16"-barreled MSR 15 models feature appropriately scaled mid-length gas systems. Amateur gunsmiths who enjoy tinkering with their rifles often swap out these Plain-Jane parts for various upgrades. Most AR manufacturers use massive carrier groups because they are readily available (few actually make them in-house) and to "mass regulate" the port-pressure-sensitive 7.62 NATO round we usually find in large-frame AR-10s. 0000759047 00000 n Sorry to hear of your negative experience. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. In fact., Savage is using the same exact parts as every other AR manufacturer. Will be going back. The configuration of an AR barrels rifling plays a key role not only in the guns accuracy, but its longevity and maintenance, as well. I don't know if maybe polishing the chamber could have maybe helped the accuracy by making it cycle more consistently? The Judge has been promoted! After 5 weeks, I got the rifle back from Savage. Yet, it tells us the most about whether or not an AR is gassed correctly. 0000763889 00000 n Savage's gas system is as long as they get, and internal pressures are as low as they come. In order to compete, the MSRs would need to stand out from the crowd by offering desirable features along with a high level of quality at a fair price. Savages answer to this customer request is the AR-10-type Long Range model, the 6.5 mm Creedmoor variant of which weighs in at 10 lbs., 6 ozs. 0000762380 00000 n 0000753013 00000 n P.S. Years ago, G&A's Tom Beckstrand started measuring weights on bolt carrier groups in large-frame ARs as they cycled through these pages for testing. The barrels are treated inside and out with a Melonite finish. As such they are sending me an entirely new rifle and they stated they will be destroying mine. Caleb Giddings, Marketing Manager at Taurus, introduces the all-new TaurusTX 22 Compact. 0000012324 00000 n These guns were not hastily thrown together to meet a particular trend, but carefully thought-out and professionally assembled to provide years of enjoyment at the range or in the field. Fair enough, I suppose. Std. I suspect either they got lucky with their 5 shot group, or they are FOS. 0000457663 00000 n 0000759135 00000 n For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The mid-length should have a slower cyclic rate, but it does not. Here are five things you need to know about Savage's new AR-10 design. Since the 6.5 Creedmoor is a relatively young cartridge, its development was aided by the tribal knowledge manufacturers have amassed. Rifles with a low port pressure can still have high cyclic rates if the gas port is big enough. The grip is narrow at the top with deep bilateral thumb grooves and a hand-filling palm swell. For the MSR 10s, the company customized each rifles system to best fit the barrel length and chambering, extending the dimensions beyond those typical to the AR-10. The gas system on this model measured 15 inches. The Long Range has a 22-inch, button-rifled barrel that is finished in Melonite QPQ, a finish that converts the barrel's surface instead of placing a coat over the top of it. For example, the Hunter I tested in .308 Win. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. It's relatively light, well balanced and I like the way the gas system adjusts. 0000772096 00000 n The Long Range also has a stubby, nonreciprocating, side-charging handle that's perfect for this rifle. It is a simple and rugged design. 0000771901 00000 n Im the manufacturer. Joe Kurtenbach and Caleb Giddings also look at the first-ever optics-ready carry revolvers with the new Taurus 605 and 856 T.O.R.O. The lightened bolt carrier group and buffer, when combined with the adjustable gas block, extra-long gas system, and outstanding trigger made shooting accurately as effortless as possible. 0000772018 00000 n With a 16-inch barrel, its designed as a carbine to be easy to use in a stand or box blind. This site utilizes affiliate programs to generate revenue and as such purchasing a product reached by clicking on a link on this site may earn us a small commission on that sale. Texas you say? I fired hundreds of rounds, tried several factory and handloads of match quality and tried multiple optics. 2. There are already so many available that we hardly see the need for more. and 6.5 Creedmoor chamberings. Thank for the input on Savage. Although the four-gun family includes two MSR-15 models in 5.56mm (the Recon and Blackhawk),our focus here will be on a dynamic duo of aptly named, hard-hitting MSR-10s, the Hunter and the Long Range. Order High-Quality BCGs direct from PSA at great prices. JavaScript is disabled. The 16.13-inch barrel within the M-LOK handguard features 5R rifling and a Melonite QPQ finish for durability. 0000006688 00000 n The first is a Savage MSR-15, & the 2nd is my own custom built AR15. Sections of straight-line raised ridges are separated by fine, non-abrasive texturing. But, we quickly became a believer after testing both AR-15 and AR-10 styles and considering the performance they offered for the small price they command. Give a Gift 0000004209 00000 n From Savage bolt-heads to bolt-head parts, springs, accu-trigger target springs and much more. The 0.85"-thick soft rubber recoil pad is supported by a reinforced buttplate designed to withstand severe impact and recoil up to .50 BMG levels. We suggest 6.5 Creedmoor. Instead of squared edges, the lands are more trapezoidal in shape. The Savage MSR 10 Hunter is a compact sporting platform that still packs the punch of AR-10 chamberings. 308 Win. 0000772522 00000 n anyone know why cabelas discontinued the lightweight hunter? I asked what they did to remedy the malady and they said there was nothing wrong detected upon their testing. If so I might have found an issue. The polymer pistol grip is the same comfortable Blackhawk Knoxx Axiom AR model installed on the MSR 15s, and an integral trigger guard is enlarged to provide extra space for gloved fingers. Out of the box, it features a Blackhawk Knoxx AR Pistol Grip, Axiom Carbine Stock and Blackhawk AR Blaze trigger. Springfield Armory Hellion 5.56 NATO Bullpup Rifle: Tested, Self-Defense Handgun and Ammo Options for People With Dexterity and Strength Issues. This front sight has much cleaner, crisper lines than the typical cast mil-spec version. It is a simple screw held in place with a ball and detent that can be adjusted in quarter-turn increments. The .308 Win. Whether you're looking for a long range tack driver, a fun firearm for plinking, or a dependable hunting rifle -- Savage has you covered. Savage accounted for wear on the portion of the key that slips over the gas tube where it enters the upper receiver. For a $2k rifle marketed as a competition ready precision rifle it fell far short. 0000457741 00000 n While developing its modern, precision AR-10s, Savage also addressed other longstanding shortcomings of MSRs designed for larger cartridges.

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