1. Any large caliber pistol is going to deliver often punishing recoil. Even if you get a lucky shot with these freight trains that can run 35MPH it will probably still kill you before it dies. Unless and until you provide evidence to support the claim, thats all it is; a claim. I forgot to mention it, and you should get credit where credit is due. However, bigger is not always better in my opinion. Ah I love the kind of hater you are, that you are so jealous of hand guns success even, though you deny you are jealous. A handgun is worn on your person, however, and is invaluable because it stays with you, whether youre answering natures call or stopping to field dress a game animal. Maybe you should pay more attention to the world around you and have a little less Tude with everyone. And if you want grownups to take you seriously, you really do have to stop sounding just like Jesse Pinkman. *** FLORIDA IN WINTER AND HAVE USED IT ON SEVERAL PIT BULLS AFTER ME AND NOT THAT IMPRESSED, FIGURE PISSED OFF BEAR 100 X PIT BULL SO NO THANKS. I heard that bear was a friend of Cecil the lion. Its a matter of physics, do the math. Likely a happy accident for them due other evolutionary happenstances, but they are around because the weaker ones arent. Smith & Wesson Model 629. The dog did nothing more than backup, sneeze, and trot away. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. So youre absolutely not man enough to admit that you were wrong about the Florida attack, then? And to the the post of a guy shot many times with a 9mm, you are correct sir. People claim there are multiple instances where people with pistols failed to stop the attack and/or kill the bear. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. JUST CALLED THEM ON THE PHONE AND MOST HELPFUL. Make sure to have several encounters. While it is extremely effective, the main reason its been so widely-used is because shotguns like the Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are a fraction of the price of bolt-guns and, in turn, thats what the government has provided to its employees. There are some books out on bear attacks as well. I have watched ballistic videos from a FBI training video in shot placement. .30-06 and.300 Win were the results. The hunters violated the most basic safety rule when cleaning game to pack out. NAM TAUGHT ME SH#T, SHOWER, SHAVE, SLEEP WITH WEAPON. Hes in a medical field, Id really like to know if he noticed any hearing damage after 4-5 rounds of *big boom*. A sold core flat nose bullet has a better chance of penetrating a grizzly bears heavy skin, thick coat, and large bones than a hollow point that is designed to expand as rapidly as possible. Please send your references, links preferred. I do have one. Admit that you made a mistake, Hank, and that you were wrong, and apologize. They dont. Lets face it. It is loaded with the best bear ammo that their internet research recommends. Big credit to the guy finding his calm in that situation; it allowed him to place a well aimed shot . Feel free to reach out to us or read our affiliate disclosure and privacy policy. Sure looks like a bunch of weakling dodging on your part, Hank. Since grizzlies tend to be more aggressive than black bears, more problem encounters occur with grizzlies than other bear species. Remember that 44 mag ammo is not a magic bullet you still need to know how to use it effectively, Make yourself as big and loud as possible; shout and clap your hands, Try to scare the bear away by throwing objects at it or spraying it with pepper spray, If those things dont work, use your firearm to shoot the bear in the most vital areas: its head, chest or neck, The minimum caliber for black bear is .30-06 Springfield, A well placed shot from a .44 Magnum will penetrate both shoulders of a black bear with ease, When hunting black bear, use a rifle with good sights and a scope, Remember that handguns are not as powerful as rifles and may not provide enough penetration on larger bears. I mention this one because of its immense stopping power at extremely close distances. However, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether the .300 Winchester Magnum is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest grizzly or brown bear. The .44 magnum boomed in the night and the boar fell straight down, his head three feet away from where I stood. of energy from the muzzle. DO NOT GO INTO LOT ABOUT GRAINS AND SUCH AS I THINK THESE INDIVIDUAL CHOICES BASED ON SHOOTERS PREFERENCE AND SITUATION. I believe I said the other day, .44 Rem Mag FTW! If youre ever faced with a bear attack, youll need to know how to defend yourself. Does that (true, b.t.w.) The black bear is the only animal in the continental U.S. that can provide the average hunter a reasonably accessible opportunity to hunt dangerous game - game with fangs and claws rather than horns and hooves. My state used to require a class and a license to buy pepper spray, and I lived there, so I took the class. 2. They did not have a .44 magnum. As an avid outdoors person (hunting and fishing mostly)I love to mention and link to various products and gear I use. This holster always lives on the outside of my outermost coat. in Southern Cal., I have been on many gangland shootings involving the 9mm.While it does have the necessary power to kill people, as often as not, people survive being shot with this caliber.The last call involving a 9mm, the victim was shot 15 times and was still fighting us to get up off the gurney and get some payback. So, show us the instances that will change the percentages. for grizzly protection. I could eat a can of alphabet soup and shit out a smarter statement than what you posted !!! The beauty of the .454, however, is that you can practice with .45 Colt rounds and save yourself a bit of recoil trauma. An instantaneous drop like that pretty much requires a spine hit for instant paralysis. One of the more powerful handguns available today, the .454 is capable of pushing a 300-grain Buffalo Bore bullet at 1650 fps with 1,813 ft.-lbs. Finally, always remember that proper shot placement is key when using 44 mag ammo for bear defense. Id like to see Boddingtons sources for hundreds of attacks. Some hunters also prefer to use rounds with higher grain weights, such as 440 or even 500, for larger bears. Aim is critical too and handguns just arent accurate, nor can they match a rifle let alone a a rifle that needs hard cast bullets for this job anyways. Want to feel fear for the right reasons? These are all factors that need to be considered when choosing a caliber for a serious and serviceable bear defense firearm. 5. Its also capable of sending a massive projectile, like Buffalo Bores 430-grain hard-cast bullet, at roughly 2000 fps and 3,600 ft.-lbs. Other calibers that come to mind are the Desert Eagle in .50 cal and the 10 mm. Just try to accept the fact that handguns are the best and enjoy the show while it lasts because the rage that exists in you is going to be your demise. They have not released their data, but they found handguns to be 84% effective against bears, surprisingly, more effective than long guns. https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2017/7/6/handguns-for-defense-in-bear-country/ SEPARATE FOOTNOTES WHICH ARE NOT A COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE: Aim for the center of mass whenever possible in order to ensure a quick and clean kill. Using the Mag. 2. .458 Winchester Magnum (500gr Hornady DGX at 2,140fps)(has 5083.36 ft lbs): 70.0 He carries a .375 H&H mag. At the ranges that most bear attacks occur, you dont need a longer barrel to deliver accuracy out to distant ranges. However, if you are reasonably accurate, a single strike on a vital area of a grizzly bear such as the head, shoulder, or internal vitals will generally produce a quick and humane kill. In the event that I need to get off a second shot at a charging grizzly bear, I want a pistol I can handle comfortably, re-acquire a sight picture, and get off an accurate shot in the quickest possible time. Go outside and smoke a cigarette or something. Even sleeping! I CARRY BEAR SPRAY FOR DOGS NOT BEARS. statement Ive made people really understand what to do about bears? Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!! I NEVER SLING OR STRAP MY SMOKE POLE, ALWAYS IN HAND AND PISTOL NOT SECURED UNLESS DOING SOMETHING WHEN IT COULD FALL OUT IF TUMBLE. Now theres some first-class thinking Thats the reason why infantrymen have left their rifles back at camp when they go into battle for the last thousand years. . Hollywood has done the same thing for other rounds. As a firefighter for 25 years in a major urban dept. Dont know if anyone else remembers his encounter in Alaska with a grizzthat had been following him and a guide in a bad storm. Your comment is just what the doctor ordered. I digress..and of course firing in tandem at said target with the the other rounds by your partner. Well thought-out, well-researched, and well-said. It was pretty much a niche round til Dirty Harry. I scanned the far shore to see if it was a nice one, maybe I would take it, I didnt see it, so I asked him where? .45-70 Government (405gr SP at 1,330fps)(1,590 ft lbs): 35.2 This stopped many tigers that had attacked the hunters riding atop elephants in India! Im certain this is the most butthurt Ive made anyone on this website since that crazed lefty threatened to sue me. However, if we are considering the average person on an outdoor adventure, we need to look at the best fit option. Who knows. Knowing the approximate distance at which you will be encountering bears is an important factor in choosing the right round for your firearm. I learned things that could make the difference between success and failure. But they dont have sense enough to get out of the way of a truck. That was when I pointed the revolver and fired at center mass. According to Hornady's data, the XTP bullets from a 7.5-inch barrel clock at 1350 fps and generate . Any way you slice it, the .357 has proven itself as a worthy close-range bear stopper. Thankfully he decided to scale the cliff because it was a good 20 seconds or more before I could undo the straps to my rifle and get it pointed in his direction. Always remember to check local regulations regarding firearms when traveling in bear country. 12 GA WHAT IT LACKS IN ENERGY IT MAKES UP IN WEIGHT AND SIZE/CAL. I suppose if one hit a bear in the eye with a .22 cal. The guys got lucky.. How in the hell did our ancestors kill them with a rock tied on the end of a stick? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. That might be the reason. Based on the .375 H&H, the .338 will send a 300-grain Barnes bullet out the barrel at 2500 fps with a devastating 4,100 ft.-lbs. Really the extra bullet is unlikely to matter either. Elmer Keith developed it to hunt AK Brown bears. Doug shot the bear and stopped the attack. The bear, during the attack, moved from one hunter to the other, giving Doug the chance to access Reeds .44 magnum, that had been hung in a tree. These are the most vulnerable areas on a bear. Granted, the stopping power of any pistol is low, but the nonsense in your post about the .38 vs .45 makes everything else you say not credible. of energy at 1550 fps, which is more than double that of the 10mm and four times more energy than the 9mm. Bear Gun Shootout: The .44 Magnum. Caliber: .44 Magnum Barrel length: 4.125 inches Overall length: 9.6 inches Weight: 41.5 ounces Grips: synthetic Sights: front red ramp, rear adjustable white outline Action: double action Finish: polished stainless Capacity: 6 rounds Price: $949 Featured image: Doug Larson Discussion (Another was uncovered after I wrote the last article.) Click bait makes me so mad I wish I had a .44 magnum! (THIS IS A SEPARATE SUBJECT. The Glock 20 chambered in 10mm has become a popular carry choice in bear country. The cause and the effect of the .44 shot is obvious in the video. Center Mass hits can disrupt the circulatory system, but science has proven that enough blood remains in a humans system that they can continue to act for up to about 10 seconds. When one of us has an animal down, one guts, the other stays ready for a bear. This is really what the .44 mag was designed for., Yup. 44 mag ammo can help you do just that. Kim had a Glock model 20 10 mm pistol with him. LOL . The majority of my travel is either via ATV or Snowmachine, while not on foot. He includes several photographs. The number of large caliber rifle rounds that came out of that bastard were truly frightening. Several folks have even successfully killed bears with a 9mm. And that was from a pretty stout rifle round, .300 Win Mag IIRC. Bears, including grizzlies, have been killed with 22 long rifles. Not at all. The .357 is also available in smaller-framed revolvers that fit smaller hands, making it ideal for women and less experienced shooters. Wheres your manning-up and saying you were wrong, Hank? Lol my dad had one (we lived in southeastern Alaska and he carried it for bear). As soon as I rounded the corner I spotted a probably 900lb brown bear, not barely 20yds away. The first was simply a test to see how far it would spray. I am a fan of the .38 but grizz country aint the place for it. When youre out in the wild, its important to be prepared for anything. People must do that. If we consider only delivered energy, the 44-magnum cartridge resides in the middle of the range that is considered adequate for a bear defense handgun. What happened? 1. Be be over armed -not under. I grew up half the time in Alaska and the other half in Seattle. They made it to a small hunting cabin but went to find some firewood outside and upon opening the door, the bear was going to come in! He was about ten feet away coming up and over the initial log that I had tripped over. Now do what I did when I was wrong last week. It is imperative that your bear defense gun is readily available, quick to deploy and that you can place a shot on target under extreme stress. 8. The dog was close enough however that the spray did hit the dog right in the face. and 2700 fps, thus delivering massive energy on target. My Grizzly Ed? You still need to know how to use it effectively in order to maximize its potential. But whenever he's in an area with a serious and credible grizzly threat, he likes his 12-gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. And you actually said this:handguns are the best. I am not looking to go toe to toe with a Grizzly, but if I am out bow hunting or have set down my rifle to gut a deer it is far better to have a handgun that will effectively penetrate a large animal than to scramble for my rifle if I get charged. After all your names not Hank. No, but if he cant get his long gun out its better than a knife or bare hands (pardon the pun). Its similar to the one my cousin uses. Thats about the only way a handgun bullet is going to drop a charging bear that quickly. So be sure to keep an eye on the animal until it is definitely dead. Some of these guys are border line genius. AK: Kim Woodman Kills Charging Grizzly with 10 mm 29 July, 2016 On 29 July, 2016, about 4 p.m. Kim Woodman was attacked by a sow brown bear at Humpy Creek. In this case, 44 magnum ammo tends to be much less expensive than the other large specialty calibers of ammunition suitable for bear defense. The Army even ranted against the 30-40 Krag as being ineffective. So, at this point 39.53% of my life. A Smith & Wesson Model 29, in .44 Remington Magnum - completely in the vein of Dirty Harry - still makes an excellent choice for the bear woods. The 44 Magnum offers several advantages over the bigger calibers especially if you pick the right firearm. Why the Alaskan was designed as a snubbie? It wasnt a challenge or snub to anyone, really. They store a lot more oxygen in their muscles than we do. Putting aside your irrelevant propagandizing about the Philippine insurrection, there is clear evidence that when comparing ball ammo, the .45 ACP is better than the .38 special and the .45 Long Colt was better than the .38 Long Colt. How many you need? has 780 ft.-lbs. NOT A SHILL FOR BUFFALO BORE, REMINGTON, HORNADY OR WINCHESTER, BLACK HILLS OR OTHERS BUT JUST LIKE THE WAY THEY HAVE ALWAYS HELPED ME SELECT THE PROPER ROUND FOR THE SITUATIONS I WOULD BE IN. Besides, it only takes one trip for things to go badpotentially. Ticks. This is really what the .44 mag was designed for. What is a Threaded Barrel and What Does it Do? Unfortunately, most everything else on this page is hogwash! I've killed big bear with one shot (usually .338 mag) but I was also in on a bear kill with my hunting partner when things didn't go well. Im referring to the Trending now BS. I come back again to accuracy rather than bullet size. One minute they may seem docile, then in an instant, their all pissed off and mad about it, How in the hell did our ancestors kill them with a rock tied on the end of a stick? Wow dude, for real? I am skeptical. HUMANS AND PIT BULLS ONLY THING HAVE HAD TO SHOOT TO DEFEND MY SELF AND NO DESIRE TO TEST THE .44 AGAINST BEARS OR SUCH BUT FEEL THEY WILL GIVE ME THE BEST CHANCE AND I AGREE ON BEST AMMO FOR JOB. Bear spray is worthless Ive used it three times. 2. That means having the right gear, and knowing how to use it. WHEN CLOSE TO HOUSE CHEST RIG WITH SHORT BARREL S/W .44 MAG OR SUPER RED HAWK .44 LONG BARREL. SEE IT. I prefer to carry a flat nose jacketed bullet. One thing Ive never called you is stupid. CRIME AND WILD ANIMALS LIKE WHEEL OF FORTUNE SPIN, NEVER KNOW WHEN IT WILL STOP ON YOUR NUMBER. In his research of hundreds of bear attacks the people who used handguns usually did not survive the attack. Stopping power in a handgun cartridge is measured in numerous ways. Forgot to ask said bear Are you feeling lucky, punk. I spray with mine regularly, even though I have to buy a lot more of it, both for practice and for making sure its as potent as can be. Your alcohol. Grizzlies may become aggressive for a number of reasons. And Im sick with the flu,so Im goofing off in this pathetic comments section. Interesting study. So, your friend may have downed a black bear with his 9, I dont think I would bet my life on one. Heard that from: a city weenie whos never met a bear. All in the family wish him nothing but the best, however his violent and irrational demeanor makes him a true pariah and danger to himself and anyone around him. Take your time in selecting a shot and make sure to take into account distance, windage, and elevation. I am thinking I would allways have a friend with me to watch my back, if indeed I was to be in a situation of a bear encroachment. The 44 magnum when compared with the other large-caliber bear defense cartridges is rather lightweight in the recoil department. Sad! They were attacked by a large grizzly bear . Get a closer look at the Smith & Wesson Model 350, the latest addition to our #SundayGunday series. Although I seldom agreed with Jeff Cooper he was right when he said that if you use a handgun as an offensive weapon its tantamount to committing suicide no matter what the caliber. Like the Spartans xiphos blade, the handgun is a much shorter secondary weapon intended for up-close-and-personal encounters. Overall, the 44 magnum revolvers are lighter weight than the larger caliber handguns. Holy shit you have some serious issues. .73 ( 3 ) 12 GA Slug 437.5 gr @ 1760 FPS (3008/ ft lbs): 81. I stood in a dumbfounded stupor. If you do encounter one, though, remember these tips: It is important to note that even if a 44 Magnum round does stop a bear in its tracks, there is still a chance that it could come back after being shot. Should be easy to find if they are out there. So that makes two attacks on humans. There is no definitive answer to this question as different bears will respond differently to various types of bullets. At anytime I can simply reach forward, undo the straps, grab my rifle and Im good to go, or so I thought. is the standard most American hunters use. That sentence wasnt even English. It was used 12 times. The 9mm can kill bears but is considered underpowered by experienced woodsmen. The pistol, from the picture and account, appears to be a Ruger stainless single action .44 magnum. I have been asking for people to send in documented instances of people attempting to use pistols to defend against bears for over a year. The first time a strong cross wind completely redirected the spray 90degrees to the side. and it bounced around inside its cranium it might stop it. Make sure youre familiar with your firearm and its capabilities. If I carried any handgun for self defense, Id only load it with one roundfor myself. Among firearms platforms, a rifle delivers more energy and is effective to greater distances, making it the first choice. This is a website about guns, not WebMD. Thats a cool chest rig. What is the title of Craig Boddingtons book? A female grizzly will do almost anything to protect her cubs. Hes seen a large grizzly remain upright and functional for 90 seconds to 2 minutes after taking a fatal chest shot. All of the guides I have hunted with insist that everyone have a bear defense firearm on their person almost at all times. He said that handguns stop attacking bears almost 100% of the time. I DO GET THAT:) I think akgunner wrote a comment below the article which is more helpful than the article itself. .73 (2 3/4) 12 GA Slug 437.5 gr @ 1560 FPS (2363/ ft lbs): 71 Buffalo Bore produces several loads for the .50 Alaskan, including a 450-grain bullet that delivers a whopping 4,400 ft.-lbs. Remember that handguns are not as powerful as rifles and may not provide enough penetration on larger bears. But I do know this. Compared to pretty much every other mammal, humans are easy to put out of action. I am still looking for some 300 grainers. . Ive watched, while working out, flossing, but never sittingI dont sit while I watch TVpretty much every documentary on bears ever shown, including the one on crazy, brave, brilliant, dead Timothy Treadwell. Caliber: .44 Magnum. If you are carrying a handgun for self-protection against black bear, be sure to practice with it beforehand so that you are proficient in its use. The .44 magnum boomed in the night and the boar fell straight down, his head three feet away from where I stood. When I wrote, But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life?, it was a statement about black bears. As Nelson points out, the first shot may end the charge but doesnt always kill the bear, which means its handy to have a rifle that can make the longer follow-up shot. LAST TIME CALLED BUFFALO BORE GOT THE OWNER AND MUCH TALK AND HELP ON CARBINE AND PISTOL ROUNDS NEEDED FOR A SITUATION SINCE I AM ARMED ESCORT FOR LIVING. Back then we didnt have hearing protectors and YES it was loud! Ultimately, it is important to choose a round that you are comfortable shooting and that provides the best chance of stopping an attacking bear. When hunting black bear, use a rifle with good sights and a scope. However, Ive learned a few things. Large caliber handgun ammunition is expensive. Assumption. And as I said at the git-go, a hell of a lot of hunters have been mauled by grizzlies after they shot them. Some sites would have you thinking you can kill a bear with a .45 magnum even if you did manage to hit it hours before he killed you. The Ruger Red Hawk Alaskan owned by a friend who regularly hunts in Montana is his bear defense weapon. Is it fun to shoot? Anybody at all? .50 Alaskan Taking a .348 Winchester case and necking it out to accept a .510-inch, Alaskan Harold Johnson was able to successfully convert a Winchester Model 1886 rifle into a .50-caliber, bear-killing machine. .44 Remington MagnumConsidered by many to be the minimum for big bear defense rounds, the .44 Remington Magnum was first introduced in 1955 for revolvers and gained widespread popularity in the 1970s thanks to Dirty Harry. Wow. Since the bear usually knows where you are long before you are aware of the bear, your reaction time may be considerably less than 4.5 seconds. I use Lyman no. Ive clearly enraged you to the point where your more of a danger to yourself and others. When I need it, I simply have to grab my pistol and pull. You have to do more than say there are books out there, you have to read em. His father has tried in vain to get this sad lad committed to a psychiatric treatment facility for years with zero success. photo from thetruthaboutguns.com. here is one of the links I had bookmarked; http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm . As a wildcat cartridge, it hasnt seen the widespread use of other rounds on this list, but that hasnt stopped many guides and hunters, Nelson included, from converting Marlin lever guns for its very effective use. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OniKk-UUWD8, 35 Whelen for Elk: The Perfect Caliber for North American Big Game. of energy at 1500 fps, while the 495-grain DDupleks leaves the muzzle at 1410 fps with 2,180 ft.-lbs. Did you ever even bother to check on last weeks bear attack in Florida after I said you were wrong? Developed in 1976 by Ken Waters as a wildcat cartridge, the 7-30 Waters is based on the .30-30 Winchester necked down to 7mm to improve velocity and trajectory, with a significant drop off in felt recoil. Of course, your choice of which gun to carry can mitigate some of the recoil issues. The article was about pistols being used to defend against bears. Male grizzlies will defend their territory to the death. While some may consider it the minimum, its plenty powerful enough to stop an onerous bear.
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